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Dear Dr. Lazyweb

Is it particularly odd for someone who's almost seven months pregnant to be sleeping for ~16 hours a day, at least every other day?

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It can be. She IS building a baby, and while the basic building blocks are done now is a crucial time in brain development. If she's exercising and eating right, she should be fine. What does your midwife say?

I'm not sure she's found a midwife yet. I know she's talked to some possibilities but I don't know the verdict.

Protein. Protein. Protein. :) People are made of it, and babies need all of it they can get. Also, helps with the anemia thing.

How are her blood sugars? Is she swelling? (Besides her belly, I mean... I'm thinking face, hands, feet.)

She's likely fine, but the answers to those last might be important.

She's been monitoring her blood pressure regularly, it's all good. Specifically to watch for eclampsia.

I have no idea about her blood sugar levels.

Then as long as she's not sugar-dumping and she's eating right and she IS exercising... consult with a midwife for certainty, but she sounds just like me in both my pregnancies. ;)

Heck, in my first one, when I wasn't sleeping I was a total zombie anyway. And that was with a short work week. Ask mistwolf how much I slept. She was there. This last one, with a standard work week... sheesh. I barely remember this time last year.

*points at Amy's response to this post*

Feeling better now? :)

After seeing three friends go through being preggers, I have to say, I'm not surprised by anything like that. So ask someone who really knows more, but my initial reaction is that this totally sounds like the kind of thing that just starts happening and will go away a month later.

So check with someone who knows, but until given a specific reason, I certainly wouldn't be panicking about it.

If it is unusual, Im screwed. 6 months along, and Ive spent most of it vomiting or sleeping. Drs tell me its 'normal'. *shrug* I hope whomever you are talking about feels ok, and gets better answers than I am.

It's normal. Building a baby is hard work.

(You don't know me... I'm a doula, childbirth instructor, and mom of two daughters. :) )

Thanks for the feedback. This is my second child - the first I had toximia and all kinds of complications so sleeping and vomiting just seem normal to me. Its good to get a positive 'normal' diagnosis though. *smile*

You may already have heard all this, so if you have, please forgive me... there are those who haven't, and they don't know why they went toxic.

The best prevention for toxemia is protein and calcium. One day my BP tested high. I ate 200 grams of protein. It went back down and stayed there.

The ideal amount is 100+ grams of protein per day. It sounds like a lot, but you can do it! And calcium is just good all around. :)

Also: Water exercise. It presses the fluids out of your tissues. Spend as much time as possible in water. More fluids-> increased heart work-> increased blood pressure.

But sleeping a lot? Normal. :)

Actually, I hadnt heard any of this. Of course that baby was 15 yrs ago, and Im not seeing a doula now - saddly I wish I was.

I cant get into a pool, none arround, but that doesnt stop me from taking as many baths as I can if its a good excuse against toximia now! :D

As for the other foods, Ill increase the protien. That sounds doable and might actually feed the hunger that I have thats causing me to feel so sick.

Wow, doula advice all free and from out of nowhere. Who could be luckier?! Thanks.

Many doula certifying organizations offer lists of doulas trying to get their certs... which means sometimes they're willing to work for free. I know you can get DONA's at info@dona.org.

Massage can also help get fluids out of tissue.. see my comment below! :)

Balanced vitamin and mineral intake and healthy intestinal tract will do more for toxemia from everything I can find biochemically on the subject, than any single nutrient. If the person talking was low in protein and calcium, those would be the things that would take her down out of the range of inflammation problems like toxemia, when replaced. If you get plenty of those two, but like most Americans, are extremely low on magnesium from the reduction of its amounts in our foods from overfarming and lack of produce diversity, then magnesium could be the magic ticket to no extreme swelling disorder problems. In all cases, trying not to eat much prepackaged garbage, and taking a prenatal vitamin set specifically designed to get you close to 100% of your RDA for most things, is a great place to start with trying to keep toxemia at bay.

From talking about the symptoms and circumstances with my doctor, she seemed to think I was probably onto something about my friend who just gave birth by c-section because of seizures from eclampsia. My theory is that it is a combination of high systemic toxicity, low nutrient absorption, and the final straw of a viral or bacterial trigger which pushes a system extremely out of balance over the edge into toxic to the brain as well, causing seizures and sometimes death to mother and/or child.

High systemic toxicity comes from every chemical you use in your house that is stronger than vinegar and very occassional bleech. It comes from all the chemicals in your garage, petrolium products. It comes from everything you put on your body that says "for external use only" which doesn't stay external because that isn't the way skin works. It comes from all the manufacturing chemical loads in the air and water. It comes to you by way of the chlorine in your water which kills many things your body needs to process foods as it transits your gi tract. It comes from the things flouride becomes when mixed with all the other things you're exposed to. It comes from heavy metals in the water you drink, lead pipes, chemicals your clothing is treated with, pesticides on your foods. It comes from things like substances approved by the FDA in tiny doses as sudsing agent or other things which might be fine in those small amounts but are instead in every soap you touch several times a day. No one of those toxins is enough. No magic combination exists that means the others can be ignored. But the overall extreme overexposure every hour of every day is more than your system can process well by your filter organs like your skin and kidneys and liver and such. The more toxic your body is to itself because it can't keep up with processing the garbage, the more nauseated will be your pregnancy as your body reacts with vommitting to try to eliminate poisons and protect the child while you are pregnant. Unfortunately the poisons are in your blood stream, not in your stomach, so it does pretty little good aside from sometimes keeping you from eating more of the broccoli which accumulates pesticides very badly, or what have you.

Your body while pregnant is a system under extreme load. If it was already under extreme toxin loads when you started, it is that much closer to the whole thing sprialling out of control. It is hard once you're already pregnant to do anything but be patient and try not to rock the boat, but switching to organic foods and and natural products will help prevent making it worse in the mean time. And once you have the baby and aren't nursing, you can look into detox programs to protect yourself and the next child.

Low nutrient absorption happens because of lack of nutrients consumed (water, calcium, vitamin b, whatever) or because your body is so trashed from the toxins, that you absorb nutrients spectacularly badly and have no idea that you have a problem. Usually there are signs, but we don't recognize them as probable indicators of gi problems. They include things like headaches, dizziness, nausea, hormone imbalances, allergies, sleepiness, depression, pain disorders, swelling disorders including blood pressure problems, heart problems, cancers, obesity, etc, any and all of the above are things that a body functioning well to absorb nutrients through healthy intestinal walls would be unlikely to experience.

The chlorinated water is especially bad about irritating this problem further because it kills off the flora in your gut which helps you digest, keep yeast infections at bay, etc. It and the chemicals in processed foods you eat and too many long chain fats break down the lining of your intestines that protect you from such things, and keep it inflammed instead, causing you to not digest anything you eat, very well.

To heal it, consume a couple times a day, things with live cultures, like yogurt and kefir (Kefir also dramatically reduces nausea because as it ages, b vitamins develop in it). Aloe can help. Unpasturized vinegars and pickled foods are good. They all provide you with healthy flora for your system. And of course, stop killing things off with antibiotics and tap water and chemically ladden foods as much as possible. And eat as much raw, uncooked food as possible since it comes with enzymes and things your body needs to digest well and is least likely to irritate your gut. And simple fats. No vegetable oil, corn oil, canola oil, etc. Real butter, avocado oil, nut oils, olive oils, etc.

Viral and bacterial exposures are probably obvious, though my friend failed to grasp that out of state vacationing just before baby is due wasn't exactly wise for preventing new germ exposures that late in pregnancy.

Exersize and breathing exersizes also help oxygenate tissues which helps prevent many many problems including eclampsia and improve your heart's performance.

Who is this lucky person getting 16 hours of sleep?

Thing is, question is misleading because 16 hours assumes I could get to sleep. Last two nights running I got to sleep finally somewhere around 4 am and 5 am respectively.

See there are the problems called things like: impossible to get comfortable, impossible to support body in all annoyed locations, impossible to breathe from swollen mucous membranes and constant drainage, impossible to get shoulders and back to be less sore, impossible to work out gas until I try to lay down the first time which takes at least an hour, nausea at laying down, hot flashes waking me up or keeping me awake from temp control problems, etc...

My sleep schedule is all over the damn place at the moment, but I really am not sleeping that unusual amount of hours. Some extra, but not a ton extra.

Sorry it is being so out of sync with sane schedules. For the last couple of night, I could not find a position where my nose didn't tickle or run or such for longer than maybe 10 minutes at a shot. It sucks.

I'm privately convinced that this is nature's way of getting you used to being up every 2.5 hours to feed the baby. OK, maybe not so privately.

I don't know a single mom who slid through without this happening. You get lots of naps, but eight hours straight just doesn't happen.

Soreness... find a local massage school and offer to be a "test patient" for students to learn pregnancy massage.It helps a lot.

Yeah, I am pretty convinced of the same thing. And I have used massage a lot once I discovered it when I was struggling with a pain disorder.

The uncomfortable in my back and sholders at the moment is actually more a feature of a belly button hernia I have than my back. I think that when the hernia is acting up I tense up my shoulders and upper back to compesate, or it hits one of the muscles that runs to both locations or something. It has happened at times when I wasn't pregnant and I can sometimes relieve it by laying on my back long enough to mess with the spot and get everything to relax back the way it is supposed to sit, and very suddenly it will go from painful back to fine again. Doesn't work every time and it isn't the most comfortable thing, but it seems stupid to get it repaired a second time when the first didn't work, at least until after baby has arrived if I try it at all. But the expanding around the middle thing means the hernia acts up more often. I can get the discomfort to mostly settle down, but it takes a bit.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Hi, you dont know me but Ive been following this thread today. Im 6 months along, and boy did what you typed hit me as familiar.

One thing I found is when I do pass out, the only comfortable position I can lay in, happens to be the one positon that makes acid reflux happen, and then I vomit. *eww* I started keeping tums by the bed, and a glass of flat 7up, gingerale, or simply lukewarm water - for me those help keep my stomach settled. I may not be sleeping when I am sipping them, but Im not throwing up either.

Its so hard sometimes, but when I feel her - we know the sex - move I almost feel its all worth it.

My point was: your not alone, and I hope you start finding a good position for sleep soon - I have ordered my family that if they find me asleep, NOT to disturb me, no matter where it is. That resulted in waking up in a cold bathtub some 2 hours after I got in it - but they let me sleep! :)

Anyway, one mommy to another - good luck! *sends good thoughts*
~Lynn

Stop eating margerines, vegetable oils, canola oil, corn oil. If you can't guess how to get fat from the original source, you're probably not able to process it in high quantities you're being exposed to.

And start eating live culture foods like yogurt at kefir every night before dinner.

I used to have to take proton pump inhibitors my acid reflux was so bad. I don't have it any more once I started to really understand the problem. Also, elevating the head of your bed will help some to keep things down.

It is a combination of an inflammed gi tract beyond your stomach, poor nutrient absorption and lack of good flora in your system to help you digest, as well as a weird effect that the wrong kinds of fats have upon your body of causing your gi tract to lose muscle tone, possible because of low nutrient absorption.

And by yogurt, I mean the real, organic, not low fat kind, not the jello sugar bombs pretending to be yogurt in average grocery stores.

The problem with the fats I listed before is that they are long chain fats, which are supposed to be in small quantity compared to the rest, is that they are supposed to surround sites in need of healing and help keep them heavily supplied with blood which carries nutrients and white blood cells to heal things. The way they keep things there is by causing swelling and the slowing of blood exchange at the site.

Short chain lubricating fats are supposed to then come alone and break up the party and move things along. Only we consume them so out of balance with each other that we are causing constant swelling states which are what is necessary to get many health problems. They help keep your gut inflammed as well as causing more pain and other problems which then start to perpetuate themselves.

You do need a small amount of those swelling agents to stay healthy, but if you ever eat out, you're probably getting too much of that already. A natural state would be to get corn oil from eating corn, etc.

The more swollen the rest of your gi tract stays, the harder it is to move food through your stomach fast enough. The more long chain fats there are, the harder your gall bladder has to work to process the fats and the more likely they will stay in your stomach too long, making it easier for things to back up. Combine that with the weird relaxation effect on the upper scphincter of your stomach and you get acid and vommitting. If it gets bad enough and your absorption is so bad you're not processing calcium right, eventually you'll have to have the gall bladder removed as it starts to fail at the load.

And the hormone changes of pregnancy and having born children (or used those deadly little swelling inducing "miracles" called birth control pills) are enough to push that subsystem over the edge in many people. People who have their gall bladder removed were almost always over fourty, had had children, were overweight (another sign of swelling and malnutrition). Today that age is creaping lower and lower because of birth control pills and "low fat" eating which almost never really is healthy for the body. And in all cases it could have been prevented with healing their gi tract and getting nutrients they need.

I just had a baby a few months ago and I remember wanting to sleep a lot and having the exact same "can't get comfortable" problem as Amy. I ended up sleeping on my back, but propped up in an inclined position. For me, it wasn't reflux as much as I couldn't sleep on my side due to the baby kicking. The baby wanted me to sleep on my back which made my back hurt like the dickens. But, it seems to me that sleeping semi-upright might help reflux too.

I have my doubts about the baby wanting that from what you just said. Bear with me. Ignore me if you don't like my opinion. But.

They have done studies that indicate that when you are up and moving, baby is being rocked by the motion of your body. This lulls baby to sleep just like it does when you rock them once out of the womb. It is part of why rocking them works.

When you relax your body and stop moving, baby wakes up from not being rocked. It kicks, practices reflexes, stretches, does all the normal things. Usually it doesn't last more than an hour or so before baby goes back to sleep even though your still because that's just their default state of development at that point.

When you lay on your back directly, you risk compressing the artery that feeds the lower half of your body, which runs along your spine. There is theory that says mothers shouldn't lay on their backs to sleep or for real long, or to give birth, because the baby's weight transfers to the spine, makes it hurt much more and in some cases cuts off too much oxygen supply to the womb the heavier baby gets and the less blood can get past it.

As you or baby or anyone else gets less blood flow to your bodies and brains, you tend to get tired and sleepy. In extreme cases of lack of blood flow to the brain, people pass out.

It stands to reason that baby may have settled down for reasons of blood slowing, which if extreme enough can cause nutrient reduction and slower development and low oxygen distress states, rather than because it was healthy for you or baby.

It's a difficult problem because it's so hard to feel sleep deprived and want sleep at any cost, but most of the medical documentation I have seen points to it being healthier for you and baby if baby kicks for an hour+ and you stay on your side without the spine compression and wait it out.

My personal experience so far is that holding my hand on my stomach creates a slow down in twinges, maybe because it makes it warmer, more tight like it is when my muscles aren't lax because I am standing up, or something like that.

Probably, if you could stand it at all, that baby is fine and your back will eventually forgive you. But the reduction in circulation to your lower half can actually trigger emergency states in some people, so if you have more kids, it might be worth trying to figure out something else. I am actually sleeping in my recliner the last couple nights from extra drainage, but I am sleeping in it on my side. A little weird to get arranged, but it seems to be working okay.

I must be some kind of mutant or outlier because with child #1, I slept on my side and I ended up with a herniated disc in my back. With child #2, I did the back sleeping and my back doesn't hurt at all. I do know that sleeping on my side wasn't very possible with child #2 also because, I had read the same thing about oxygenation, so for a week I tried to sleep on my side and I would wake up in the middle of the night with a sore gut from all the kicking. When I asked my midwife about it, she stated that I should sleep however I was most comfortable and not worry about the oxygenation.

Alright, having done this routine 5 times, even though three of the five ended in premature births, yes, sleeping more, especially during the later months is not all that uncommon. It's actually not all that uncommon earlier on, either. The mother's body is doing a lot more work than it does usually, as it is sustaining the mother, as well as building and sustaining the life of the little one growing inside her. It's one of the most rewarding, and tiring, and exhausting things anyone can do, in all honesty. And, in reading Amy's comments, I would whole heartedly recommend one of those body pillows, or a couple of them. They are wonderful for being bendy and supportive and helpful in getting comfortable, because you can put one behind your back, for support, while laying on one side, and have another between your legs and snuggled up in front. I bought one during my third pregnancy, and wished they had been around for the first two. I wouldn't dream of doing it again without a couple of those things, just because I couldn't get comfortable to sleep without it while pregnant.