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Someone on my friends' list said this:

There is not a magic line where some are more worthy of humane treatment than others, or where their feelings/rights should supercede those of others because they have disorder N instead of disability X; nor are some people "better" than others because they happen to be different in a way that is accommodated by society.


I'm not going to say anything about the context, because I think it's irrelevant. I think this is a good and true statement regardless of context.

That said, if you see me advocating death for people (and you may well, if you ever see me involved in anything political), just understand that I personally don't believe that anyone, regardless of how normal, functional, intelligent or what have you they are, deserves to live. Yes, I am that much of a misanthropist. I definitely have days where I just fall back to "We should nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure." I think there are some really cool things about humans and there are certainly good things I'd not get to experience if we all ceased to exist, but at the end of the day I don't think the good makes up for the bad, not really.

I have been known to respond to people talking about death with comments like, "And this is bad exactly why again?" and then had them be horrified when they realized I wasn't really joking.

If I have any bias at all, it's against the "normal" folks, the ones who fit, because in my experience the folks out at the edges are more likely to do more good than harm than the "average" masses who all fit in.

I'm not playing favorites when I make statements like that. Just for the record. Yes, I include myself in 'humanity'.

You'll also note, if you're paying attention, that I don't go out killing people. Just because I don't believe you have the right to live doesn't mean I believe I have the right to make that choice for you.

I've had more than one conversation where I've been asked how I can be optimistic about anything with an attitude like this, and I always end up getting down to not understanding how anyone can be optimistic about anything without an attitude like this. It appears to be a fundamental disconnect with much of the rest of the world. (Like I'm unused to that.)

There's more I could say on this subject, but eh. This covers the crucial bit.

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This is news?

Not for anyone who knows me.

I'm sayin'

Yay bird flu!

Pandemic here we come.

Re: Sure, I'll bite

The lower you start the higher you can go?

Re: Sure, I'll bite

I haven't tried to reconstruct this in a while, but it boils down to something like, "I find the idea that we have all this wasted potential far more depressing than the idea that we're actually doing pretty well, given our inherent limitations."

Re: Sure, I'll bite

You put it perfectly. Thank you!

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Cannot remember the quote, so I'll just mutilate it:
"Of course I don't believe the universe is fair.
If I believed the universe was fair, I would wonder what they hell people did when something really terrible happened to them."

I'm actually having a pretty good day and am moderately content, but...

...reading "I definitely have days where I just fall back to "We should nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."" just makes me love you that much more. O:) ;) *grim grin, then giggle*

I myself would prefer to live, if possible, and I have a few select people who I'd want around, but otherwise... meh. The deaths of people fifty or a hundred years ago affect me a lot more than anything that's going on today.

Thought provoking stuff.

From a completely objective, rational POV the statement makes sense. However, we ARE all human. If we are presented with the choice between saving the life of a good-but-average friend, and a nobel prize winner for physics who we don't know personally, virtually anyone will choose their friend.

Society's fallacy is to say that X is worthy of superior treatment because s/he has had a rough time of it in the past, for whatever reason. Thus people bend over backwards to help people in wheelchairs (most of whom hate it) and generally give special treatment to 'disadvantaged' groups. Mostly they feel smug about doing it, as well.

Heinlein devoted most of a chapter in "Starship Troopers" to the question of a person's 'right' to live. (During the H&MP classes). Bottom line, it doesn't exist. Has a very good quote about a shipwreck survivor's pleading with the ocean for his right to live. The ocean - and the universe - care not.

That is my stance. The universe doesn't notice, doesn't care, about us. Does the good make up for the bad? Are humans a blight on Pwanet Erf? Who cares? We are, through cosmological accident, lots of luck, and some hard work, the dominant species on the planet. It's ours. We have a duty to it - not to screw it up through blatant stupidity. But part and parcel of being the dominant species is manipulation of our environment. We 'Belong' to Earth only until the fricking ship gets here so we can leave, or we build a ship so we can do so.

Everyone has the potential for greatness, nobility, horror, depravity, and murder. How you choose to frame yourself against the world will determine how I treat you.

*I* will fight to keep the people I view as important alive. It's why I'm here in the first place, I believe. I think we have a duty as *thinking* individuals to defend others and to eliminate those who prey on others. This is not making the choice for them; they made the choice when the decided to prey on other people. To that extent, yes, I will eliminate them. But I don't go looking for opportunities.

And yes, it's much eaiser to be optimistic about things when your baseline view is pretty negative. It's SO much eaiser for people to pleasantly suprise you.

Re: Thought provoking stuff.

I hadn't...and that was hilarious. And disturbingly close to reality.